Garrett at Pro Vs Whites Mxt Pro Review

falconman515

I am merely wanting to know if anyone has experience with both of these rigs and how they compare on all levels

I am almost sold on the AT Pro simply I wanting to see how the MX5 stacks up.

Please no talk about "get this or get that" (unless maybe it sin the same $500 price range, no less no more) over the two that are already stated here ... I know many others may be better but this is the

Only price range I am staying at currently and the only two I am currently considering.

Thanks you lot so much for any comparing you lot tin can provide on these detectors as far equally next, pros & cons, and overall thoughts and results.

Garrett AT Pro ....
Garrett AT Pro Metal Detector For Sale - Kellyco Metallic Detectors

Whites MX5 ....
White'southward MX5 Metal Detector For Sale - Kellyco Metallic Detectors

fella · October 24, 2012 1,805 852 Wisc Primary Interest: Metal Detecting

I had the MXT Pro, the MX5's bigger badder cousin and the electronics the MX5 is based on.. I still prefer the ATP and I loved my MXT Pro. It was neat detector for me. Audio feedback is better westward/ATP, the MXTP was deeper w/like size coils.
No manual ground balance for the MX5 kinda kills information technology for me. But lets say (for argument sake) the performance of the two is the aforementioned. The MX5 uses twice as any batteries, isn't waterproof and no freq shift (comes in handy for emi & others hunting close by).

I accept no doubt the MX5 is a fine detector merely information technology's not a MXT Pro fifty-fifty though they're related.

norbyx

I agree in the point that the mx5 is not an mxt pro... That is for sure.. The mxt pro is probably the best single frequency detector that whites ever made.
As for the at-pro, I am done discussing on a detector that I disliked...
Make your ain experience, that is what I have always washed myself.
Everyone loved Tesoro, I bought 3 and disliked every i of them, everybody loves the at, I bought it and disliked information technology. The v3i is the best detector ever made, bought it and ended upward selling it too.... Now I take a whites dfx and a mxt pro... Will I ever sell them... Well who knows, but for now after having had a lot of detectors this are the ones I like the most, especially the mxt pro (had the mx5, m6, mxt and at present the mxt pro, and this last 1 beats them all).

falconman515

Make your own experience, that is what I accept e'er washed myself.
Everyone loved Tesoro, I bought 3 and disliked every one of them, everybody loves the at, I bought it and disliked it. The v3i is the best detector ever made, bought it and concluded up selling it besides

This is information technology right here .... one guys detector they Beloved another guy hates.

One guy who owns the expensive cats meow Spectra v3i says he does mode better with some other machine half the toll.

In one case guy who owned the AT Pro and didn't like it as much every bit another .... the other guy feels The Exact Opposite.

But your correct ... Make Your Own Experience is the way to go .... I just want to brand sure I am getting something top notch for the money I have to spend ... and I accept no dubiety that EITHER manner I get I will be a strength to to reckoned with if I accept the time and effort "To Learn Information technology" ... A guy who knows his machine volition run circles effectually the guy with another machine that costs 3 times as much who has not taken the time to larn it ... and I think virtually all veteran detectorist would whole heartedly agree with that statement.

Thanks so much guys for your feedback and thoughts though.

fella · Oct 24, 2012 1,805 852 Wisc Primary Involvement: Metal Detecting

I know you lot've been asking primarily nearly these two detectors only have you considered the Tesoro line? While I personally don't care for the ones I've owned, they do perform great. Well within your upkeep too. If you can live with a single tone and thumbing disc, you tin can great performance for footling coin! Just a idea.

falconman515

You know I have seen a few of the Tesoro's that have been recommended in other threads I have read (like the Outlaw and the Vaquero) merely call me crazy merely visual engineering is something that comes natural for me and is a great guide to me in knowing and learning what I hear and is something I want to have in the detector I own (gotta take a screen with information and ID labels ... it'southward just something that helps a guy like me ... plus I am not a fan of the old school knobs).

They may be killer machines but they are not equipped with the visual aspects of what I am looking for in my side by side detector.

dirtscratcher

I would try to get my hands on any detector before I bought one. I bought a tesoro before I e'er seen one and was shocked at what I got.

norbyx

What makes information technology difficult in the detecting globe is that you need time to test a detector, so getting you easily on a detector at a dealer, basically tells y'all very very little on how the detector will or will not work for you.
I sympathise that money is not always our friend, and we can't get out and spend lots of it as we nigh likely would like to. I also concord that if you learn your auto you will be a killer compared to a noob on its top of the line detector.... But if yous have learnt one, and than got another and learnt that one too, you can perfectly say why one is better than the other and probably volition keep the better one, unless you like how they all look hanging on your wall.
If money was no bug all of u.s. will have the best of each brand..... Is there a best overall all-time detector out there..... No there is not... In that location are lots of different detectors that are good doing different things... Some are good in deep argent.... Non so proficient in small gold, some are fast, other are slow, some are skillful in trash, some are non, some are practiced in Targhet ID some are worse... And all in the top of the line segment...

I had the luck to exam most brands out there (I am still missing the minelab), and for at present, IMPO whites is the i that has worked best in my soil and hunting conditions.

I still am curious to test a minelab or a XP someday.... And who knows, if they performed better than what I take I would most likely sell all my detectors and proceed just what works...

BTW. I had the v3i and mxt like a yr and a half agone, I sold them both for one reason or another than went into the Garrett and Tesoro, just to realize that the whites was what I was missing, sold everything to get into the whites again, at present after about 2 years I have (over again) the mxt... And it feels like I got dwelling house....

BamaBill

It would really help to know what type of hunting y'all'll be doing with it. I have an AT-Pro and I've only had information technology out once for relic hunting, only did test it in my backyard exam spot and its force seems to be how fast it recovers. I have a CW Minieball bullet buried at 10" that has been there for 2 years. The bullet is surrounded and slightly overlapped by a few rusty nails. The AT-Pro sees it with the stock coil, no VDI number, merely I become a brief high, repeatable tone, in the middle of the iron grunts, from the nails. None of the other detectors I currently ain can exercise that as well. A lot of people experience that the stock coil makes information technology too nose heavy and I can see why. I shortened mine as much every bit I could and still detect (I'yard half-dozen foot tall). This has helped immensely. I will exist using the 5X8 on it to coinshoot this summer and get amend acquainted with how targets sound. But, for relic hunting you'll want to use the stock viii.5" Ten 11".

Crap I wish I was able to exam out detectors before I have o purchase ... but I have nothing local at all.
I am now downward to 3 detectors .... The AT Pro vs. Whites MX5 vs. Fisher F70 DD

My ATP vs. F70 thread ......... http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/head-caput-comparisons/409245-garrett-pro-vs-fisher-f70-dd.html

I wish I could try them all but I can't

falconman515

Thank you for the reply ... I have since decided decided to go none of the directions I has stated in a higher place.

I am at present looking at Merely Minelab ... was tossing effectually the 705 but I am more than and then likely for the price going to try and find a used FBS auto like an E-Trac.

But gonna be patient until I notice the deal of a lifetime on one and seize with teeth!

Thanks though again for the reply.

BamaBill

Thanks for the respond ... I have since decided decided to become none of the directions I has stated above.
I am at present looking at Only Minelab ... was tossing around the 705 but I am more so likely for the toll going to endeavour and notice a used FBS machine like an Eastward-Trac.

Simply gonna be patient until I notice the deal of a lifetime on one and bite!

Thanks though again for the reply.

Good luck. I likewise accept an X-terra 70, which is only an before generation of the 705. I love the 70 for how light it is, especially since I got a White's straight rod and replaced the Southward configuration. Made using the 10.v" DD roll a pleasure and while information technology doesn't have quite the super separation that the AT-Pro does (no slouch though), it does become improve depth. But, if you can handle the weight of an E-trac y'all'll have a keen machine for full general purpose hunting.

gfmucci · Jun 27, 2014

Effort at understanding "iron discrimination" feature vs. notching characteristic

I have read the manuals for each of these, the AT Pro and the MX5 and am trying to understand the "Atomic number 26 discrimination" office of the AT compared to the continuous notching scale of the MX5. Hither are my questions and observations:

The ability to "discriminate out" iron and "notching out" atomic number 26 are 2 different animals. Lets meet if I can limited the divergence: Discriminating out a bespeak reduces the sensitivity of the broad frequency spectrum that identifies iron - 0 to thirty on the AT Pro scale. (I plant out this is incorrect :BangHead: )* Notching out suppresses the indicate on narrow parts of the frequency spectrum, like notching out 5 to x or fifteen to 25. If a machine was able to "notch out" five point segments between 0 and 30, what would be the difference between that and "discriminating out?"

I empathise that discriminating out is a "variable sensitivity control" over that entire 0 to xxx range, whereas "notching" is an "all or nothing" (on/off) of the 5 signal segments anywhere throughout a given range. The "normal" sensitivity command addresses the unabridged spectrum from 0 to 100 whereas the "iron discrimination" adjusts the sensitivity just beneath 30. Am I close? Please correct me if I am wrong.

If I am shut, and then this question: What is the benefit of discriminating that range (0 to xxx) versus notching out all or portions of that range?

As I sympathise the AT Pro system, the variable iron sensitivity (discrimination) setting applies to the range of 0 to thirty (the iron range); notching is available from 40 to to 100 in five unit increments.

As I understand the Whites MX5 system, notching covers the unabridged range from (in Garrett equivalency*) from 0 to 100 in 20 segments.
(*Whites uses a non-linear calibration of from -95 to +95 where the notching is broader in the negative range (five notches) and more refined in the positive range (15 notches).)

Then, these are ii different approaches to addressing the same problem. Are they every bit effective? Or is one ameliorate than some other and if so, why?

* Revelation :occasion14: : The "Iron Disc" on the AT Pro does NOT raise and lower the sensitivity of the entire range from 0 to 40 as I first idea. :icon_scratch: It discriminates out a progressively wider range of notches from 0 to 40. Set at five, it cuts out the range from 0 to 5. Set to 20, information technology cuts out the range from 0 to 20. I personally don't call up the user manual is very clear on this, but that's simply me. Thank you to Bart at Big Boys Hobbies for clarifying this for me.

rwd mo

I have read the manuals for each of these, the AT Pro and the MX5 and am trying to understand the "Atomic number 26 bigotry" role of the AT compared to the continuous notching calibration of the MX5. Here are my questions and observations:
The ability to "discriminate out" fe and "notching out" atomic number 26 are two unlike animals. Lets encounter if I can limited the difference: Discriminating out a signal reduces the sensitivity of the broad frequency spectrum that identifies iron - 0 to xxx on the AT Pro scale. Notching out suppresses the betoken on narrow parts of the frequency spectrum, like notching out v to ten or xv to 25. If a car was able to "notch out" 5 point segments between 0 and 30, what would exist the difference betwixt that and "discriminating out?"

I sympathise that discriminating out is a "variable sensitivity control" over that entire 0 to 30 range, whereas "notching" is an "all or null" (on/off) of the 5 point segments anywhere throughout a given range. The "normal" sensitivity control addresses the entire spectrum from 0 to 100 whereas the "iron discrimination" adjusts the sensitivity only below thirty. Am I shut? Please correct me if I am wrong.

If I am close, and then this question: What is the do good of discriminating that range (0 to 30) versus notching out all or portions of that range?

Equally I understand the AT Pro organization, the variable iron sensitivity (discrimination) setting applies to the range of 0 to 30 (the iron range); notching is bachelor from xl to to 100 in v unit increments.

As I understand the Whites MX5 organisation, notching covers the unabridged range from (in Garrett equivalency*) from 0 to 100 in 20 segments.
(*Whites uses a non-linear scale of from -95 to +95 where the notching is broader in the negative range (five notches) and more refined in the positive range (15 notches).)

So, these are two different approaches to addressing the aforementioned problem. Are they equally effective? Or is 1 better than another and if then, why?

The notch width is dissimilar on all detectors I have noticed equally on a minelab its 2 digits wide and on a fisher its five digits broad and on a garrett its 5 digits wide and on a whites its 12 digits wide on the mxt pro'due south. On a Tesoro its adjustable on older models and wide or narrow on the u-max series. Dear my mxt 300 only the wide notch feature sucks as is too wide for some of my places to red choice. Like the minelab really well. (digits are from ane to 100) so on a whites nickels is 18 and their notch is nigh xv to 25 etc too wide of a notch for me. only a thought rwd mo

fella · Oct 24, 2012 1,805 852 Wisc Primary Interest: Metal Detecting

The notch width is different on all detectors I accept noticed as on a minelab its 2 digits wide and on a fisher its 5 digits wide and on a garrett its 5 digits wide and on a whites its 12 digits wide on the mxt pro's. On a Tesoro its adjustable on older models and wide or narrow on the u-max serial. Love my mxt 300 but the wide notch feature sucks as is likewise wide for some of my places to cherry pick. Like the minelab really well. (digits are from one to 100) so on a whites nickels is xviii and their notch is almost 15 to 25 etc too broad of a notch for me. just a idea rwd mo

Good point rwd mo! I really liked my MXT Pro but felt the notches were the size of dump trucks. Since the MX5 is "based" on the MXT's platform, I would imagine it to exist no different.

gfmucci · Jun 27, 2014

The notch width is different on all detectors I have noticed as on a minelab its 2 digits wide and on a fisher its 5 digits wide and on a garrett its v digits broad and on a whites its 12 digits wide on the mxt pro's. On a Tesoro its adjustable on older models and wide or narrow on the u-max serial. Love my mxt 300 but the wide notch characteristic sucks as is too broad for some of my places to cherry pick. Like the minelab really well. (digits are from 1 to 100) so on a whites nickels is xviii and their notch is about 15 to 25 etc likewise wide of a notch for me. simply a idea rwd mo

If I understand the user interface on a few of these brands correctly, it is meaningless to limited the width of notching in terms of "number of digits" (2 or v or 12) without likewise referencing the width of the entire scale, i.e. a 100 bespeak scale or a 200 point scale. For instance, the AT Pro goes from 0 to 100 - its notching in a higher place forty on that scale is 5 digits broad in 12 groupings. White's scale on the MX5 goes from -95 to +95 in twenty groupings of various widths, from 20 digits wide at the far left iron end up to v digits wide in the positive range of the 200 signal scale. Another example, the Coinmaster GT has simply eight ranges with the everyman range (fe) probably having around twoscore digits (in its -95 to +95 calibration) with the upper groupings having anywhere from 10 to 20 digit widths.

This is all to say that in a 100 signal scale, a 5 digit width is a x digit width in a 200 point scale, both having the same level of discrimination inside their corresponding widths. And vice versa, a 5 digit width in a 200 indicate scale is a 2.five digit width in a 100 indicate scale, both having the same level of discrimination within their respective widths.

fella · Oct 24, 2012 1,805 852 Wisc Primary Interest: Metal Detecting

I recall you are making much more of this than demand be IMO.

If all you wanna do is cherry choice coins but wanna try and go along nickels, get with the ATP. The Nickel window is MUCH tighter.
You wanna search for jewelry, you don't notch anything and then it's a moot point.

Desire a backlit screen, get the MX5. If you want to buy twice as many batteries, get the MX5. Want audio that actually works, the ATP.
If you're in make clean newer areas it's a coin flip. Both will work well at picking clad at four". Want the i that is TRULY more versatile and will work better in more environments, the ATP's your bunny!

norbyx

[QUO TE=fella;4066553]I call back you are making much more of this than need be IMO.

If all you wanna do is cherry pick coins only wanna try and keep nickels, go with the ATP. The Nickel window is MUCH tighter.
You wanna search for jewelry, you don't notch annihilation and so it's a moot signal.

Want a backlit screen, become the MX5. If you want to purchase twice as many batteries, go the MX5. Want audio that actually works, the ATP.
If you're in make clean newer areas it's a money flip. Both will work well at picking clad at 4". Desire the ane that is TRULY more versatile and volition work ameliorate in more environments, the ATP's your bunny![/QUOTE]
Want to footing rest every 30ft, get the ATP, the whites has ground tracking and so no need for that.
You might wonder why people say i is better than another. Well because there still isn't a "perfect" detector for each one of the states. One works best for one state of affairs and the other works best for another. I had the at-pro for i year and even if I tried to make information technology work, in my hunting weather condition it just didn't.
No better mode than testing yourself.
I have whites and love it. Still need to put under the test bed an xp and a minelab.

gfmucci · Jun 25, 2014

I think you lot are making much more of this than need be IMO.

Thank you for your comments. To clarify one point:
IMO, I am asking all the questions I need to to become the data I need to learn what I need to know to make the decision I need to brand. IMO your mail would have been more than employ-friendly sans opening remark. Your comments are generally helpful, but the statement "if you lot want audio that actually works, the ATP" (audio doesn't 'piece of work' in the MX5

) sounds similar an unhelpful exaggeration that contradicts better explained comments by others and that causes a credibility "red light" to flash on your mail. Simply your other comments are more often than not helpful. If I didn't mail my previous comments, I would not have received your helpful comments. Thanks.

By the way, I am fascinated by the technology and enjoy learning about the reasoning backside various approaches that manufacturers take and how these diverse approaches piece of work out for people in different situations. I likewise want to learn what features are more gimmick than truly helpful and which are hype versus substance. Similar a detectoist, if I absorb enough opinions of people's experiences, I tin can sort the trash from the adept stuff and reason through a practiced decision for myself.

fella · Oct 24, 2012 1,805 852 Wisc Primary Involvement: Metal Detecting

Want to ground rest every 30ft, get the ATP, the whites has ground tracking so no demand for that.

Every 30ft?…LOL…funny stuff right there! But I can exercise it if I so choose. Not and then much with the MX5 that can't be GB'd manually. I'thousand sure it'due south withal a fine car though!

I had the existent deal in the MXT Pro, non the pretend 1. I know how well they all work. Probably why I Withal own the ATP.

Thank you lot for your comments. To clarify one point:
IMO, I am request all the questions I need to to get the information I need to learn what I need to know to make the decision I demand to brand. IMO your mail service would take been more use-friendly sans opening remark. Your comments are by and large helpful, but the statement "if you lot want sound that actually works, the ATP" (audio doesn't 'work' in the MX5) sounds like an unhelpful exaggeration that contradicts better explained comments by others and that causes a credibility "crimson light" to flash on your post. But your other comments are mostly helpful. If I didn't post my previous comments, I would non have received your helpful comments. Thank you.
By the fashion, I am fascinated by the engineering and enjoy learning about the reasoning behind diverse approaches that manufacturers have and how these various approaches work out for people in different situations. I also desire to larn what features are more gimmick than truly helpful and which are hype versus substance. Like a detectoist, if I absorb enough opinions of people'southward experiences, I tin sort the trash from the good stuff and reason through a adept determination for myself.

Credibility, "ruby-red light" to flash my post…more funny stuff! Oh my!
The ATP audio merely works "better" because of it'south tone roll abilities which makes is a billion time "better" to sound chase with. That audio works like a dream on bottle caps. The Whites is bloody bottle cap magnet (if it's anything like the MXT). Also works great on zinc pennies also. Zinc pennies have a scratchy sound making em like shooting fish in a barrel to id. Many IH'south fall in that # range too except they are smooth sounding. That's what I meant about audio that "works". I'grand certain the MX5 will beep besides!
If more segments of disc is what you lot think is important, the MX5 will be right upwards you ally. No matter if can park a bus in one of em! Personally I similar tight nickel windows. While the ATP'south non the tightest of all detectors, information technology's certainly better than the Eastward serial in the nickel-tab ranges.
Personally I don't really care what you get. I'thousand non vested either way! Enjoy!

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